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Kathryn interviews debt therapist and attorney Leslie Tayne, author of “Life & Debt: A Fresh Approach to Achieving Financial Wellness”. When it comes to financial infidelity, Tayne has seen it all — borrowing from a 401(k) without a spouse’s knowledge, spending money in secret, or lending money to friends without telling a significant other. Tayne is a consumer and business debt-related attorney and advisor and founder of Tayne Law Group, P.C., Kathryn also interviews palliative care physician Dr. Jessica Nutik Zitter, author of the New York Times blog post “When ‘Doing Everything’ Is Way Too Much”. Dr. Zitter introduces the readers to Vincent, a patient whom she treated ten years ago who still influences her work today. Dr. Zitter explains how ‘cookie cutter’ advance medical directives, like the one Vincent signed, do not accurately portray what the final days of life may look like when any and every possible medical procedure is performed.